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Jan 23 2009, 09:17 PM
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I confess I believe I have been tricked. I think nearly all of us have.

In the title, I employ a term some may not know.

http://www.answers.com/vaporware
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n.

New software that has been announced or marketed but has not been produced.


One of the single most fundamental assumptions we make is that some sort of "theory" of evolution exists. Clearly this is something that we should not have to assume. If it exists, it should be available. Indeed, it must be available if it is to be tested. It must have been available in the past, if it has been tested already, right?

I would like to read it. I may be mistaken, and I may learn something. At this moment, I do not believe there is an actual "theory" of evolution. I used to take it for granted; now I stop taking it for granted. Until I see an actual "theory", I shall consider it vaporware.

If a "theory" should be presented, I intend to evaluate it. I intend to determine whether or not it is subject to experimental falsification, and meets the proper criteria. A candidate "theory" should be stated as a theory, and clearly recognizable.

We are continually bombarded with "the theory of evolution says" or "does not say" such-and-such. There's an easy way to find out what it says, if it exists.

It may be some time before we see meaningful responses. In the meantime, I intend to spend a few posts discussing how the word "theory" has been abused in a way that facilitates this misunderstanding.

I have a request to those who are tempted to make excuses for the absence of any theory: hold off a spell, and give others a chance. Maybe they can find one, eh?

To those who would sell evolution, here's your chance to present your "theory". I think it's reasonable to ask to see the product, and one might even expect some degree of enthusiasm on the part of the sales staff.

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I am fully aware that many people believe such a "theory" exists, and they write about what they imagine. Such does not demonstrate the existence of an actual "theory". Such writings can be found anywhere. Anyone wasting my time linking me to talk about a "theory", rather than a "theory" itself will be reported.

I am only interested in seeing the alleged "theory" itself. Do not waste our time with links like the following:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduction_...odern_synthesis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_biology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_evolutionary_synthesis

None of those contain the "theory" itself.

Do not think I will forget after the thread grows a couple of pages, either.

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CTD   How Does One Falsify Vaporware?   Jan 23 2009, 09:17 PM
CTD   A phrase to avoid: "can explain" or ...   Jan 23 2009, 09:22 PM
CTD   "News theory" http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/t...   Jan 23 2009, 10:07 PM
CTD   Maybe I should stop, but I want to point out one ...   Jan 24 2009, 12:47 AM
Adam Nagy   It's obvious that the Theory of Evolution (Wha...   Jan 24 2009, 06:42 AM
CTD   Shoot! Did you catch this thread? http://www....   Jan 24 2009, 07:44 AM
Adam Nagy   I particularly liked A.Sphere's response earl...   Jan 24 2009, 01:35 PM
CTD   bumping, in case this was overlooked. If there is...   Feb 3 2009, 02:50 AM
Adam Nagy   I'm surprised that no evolutionists have bit ...   Feb 3 2009, 06:22 AM
CTD   First of all, they'd need to state it in the ...   Feb 3 2009, 09:41 AM
Adam Nagy   I was on another forum and a gentleman went to gre...   Feb 3 2009, 09:48 AM
CTD   Theorums are required to be proven before they are...   Feb 3 2009, 10:28 AM
CTD   Also, and unproven candidate hypothesis for a theo...   Feb 3 2009, 10:46 AM
Adam Nagy   This usually gets turned into a heavy dose of sh...   Feb 3 2009, 10:51 AM
Adam Nagy   CTD, Take a look at this clip and go to the quest...   Feb 3 2009, 11:42 AM
CTD   Sorry. I don't get to see videos like that the...   Feb 3 2009, 12:00 PM
Adam Nagy   Basically, this girl asks Mr. Johnson what his a...   Feb 3 2009, 12:19 PM
Master Buffalax   First off, telling me to "state the theory of...   Feb 3 2009, 01:12 PM
Adam Nagy   If this is truly falsifiable how come today's...   Feb 3 2009, 01:24 PM
jason78   We've got no idea of how quantum gravity is ...   Feb 3 2009, 01:50 PM
CTD   It does to me.   Feb 4 2009, 12:11 AM
jason78   Three out of the four fundamental force carrying...   Feb 4 2009, 10:41 AM
CTD   I have no interest in discussing quantum philosop...   Feb 4 2009, 06:52 PM
Master Buffalax   It seems entirely reasonable that as advanced cel...   Feb 3 2009, 03:40 PM
Adam Nagy   Yes, but it's claimed it did once exist? Wha...   Feb 4 2009, 05:49 AM
CTD   It most certainly is not a loaded question. Neith...   Feb 4 2009, 12:43 AM
Ron   That would be incorrect, and a major misconcepti...   Nov 14 2009, 08:35 AM
Master Buffalax   I don't know, it really is kind of a loaded q...   Feb 4 2009, 10:47 AM
CTD   Not even so. I never said "and all the things...   Feb 4 2009, 07:33 PM
Master Buffalax   I'm at a bit of a loss. You seem to be object...   Feb 4 2009, 11:16 PM
CTD   How about listing some experiments we can perform...   Feb 4 2009, 11:57 PM
CTD   Oh shoot! I knew I forgot something. While s...   Dec 4 2009, 01:22 AM
Adam Nagy   CTD, that is great! I'm gonna steal that ...   Dec 22 2009, 04:57 AM
CTD   I should let you know it makes them angry. If res...   Dec 22 2009, 05:25 AM
CTD   And just to remind those who may have short attent...   Feb 4 2009, 07:46 PM
Adam Nagy   I found this statement in 'Think' magazine...   Feb 4 2009, 08:00 PM
CTD   We observe that some folks have trouble assigning...   Feb 4 2009, 10:11 PM
Master Buffalax   K. Here are a few, organized by which item they...   Feb 5 2009, 12:49 PM
Adam Nagy   Are you allergic to the truth or something?   Feb 5 2009, 12:58 PM
Master Buffalax   No, I just think you're wrong, and if pressed...   Feb 5 2009, 01:13 PM
Adam Nagy   I've discovered that every truth seems to ha...   Feb 5 2009, 01:22 PM
Master Buffalax   Wiser words have seldom been spoken.   Feb 5 2009, 04:40 PM
CTD   How does this have the potential to falsify anythi...   Feb 5 2009, 05:09 PM
jamesf   Here is another experiment where evolution has ...   Feb 5 2009, 08:04 PM
CTD   Just what "theory" do you propose to te...   Feb 5 2009, 08:23 PM
Bruce V.   Hi James, Hope all is going well. You make a g...   Sep 11 2009, 10:10 AM
Master Buffalax   Gah! The theory of evolution predicts some me...   Feb 5 2009, 07:55 PM
CTD   I don't think you know what I'm arguing. ...   Feb 5 2009, 08:58 PM
CTD   Hmmm. Somehow I had the impression we were discuss...   Feb 5 2009, 09:03 PM
Master Buffalax   CTD, all my qualms with you can be summarized by y...   Feb 5 2009, 10:05 PM
CTD   It an inappropriate response, and it is not mine. ...   Feb 6 2009, 01:50 AM
CTD   Turns out I'm not so original. http://www.evo...   Feb 8 2009, 09:31 AM
Adam Nagy   Don't forget one of my favorite quotes: [b]...   Feb 9 2009, 10:18 AM
Hawkins   when you place a 286, a 486 and Pentium together, ...   Feb 23 2009, 02:11 AM
CTD   Celebrating 3 theory-free months ! (And bumpi...   Apr 21 2009, 11:06 PM
Adam Nagy   Congratulations!   Apr 22 2009, 06:30 AM
CTD   Bumping again. It just isn't sporting to keep ...   Sep 10 2009, 12:00 PM
Arch   Haven't kept up to date with this thread, so m...   Sep 10 2009, 09:22 PM
Yorzhik   Isn't there a rule that evolution cannot be d...   Sep 11 2009, 09:31 AM
falcone   I think CTD wants an Amazon link to a book called ...   Sep 11 2009, 02:18 AM
Adam Nagy   I think CTD and such a request shows the true nat...   Sep 11 2009, 04:24 AM
CTD   If anyone is uncertain about the subject here, in ...   Sep 11 2009, 03:08 PM
Ryyker   I would like to bump this thread once a month if n...   Oct 17 2009, 06:28 AM
Ron   I don't know of any rule that would prohibit...   Nov 14 2009, 08:37 AM
AFJ   I believe that when evos speak of theory they mean...   Nov 14 2009, 09:17 AM
Ron   I don't believe that is a correct assessment...   Nov 14 2009, 11:00 AM
AFJ   I think we are speaking of two different fields. ...   Nov 14 2009, 09:31 PM
CTD   I have been presenting this challenge elsewhere, a...   Nov 14 2009, 10:35 AM
CTD   The critical distinction, which they do not miss, ...   Nov 14 2009, 10:57 AM
JMcP   Okey-dokey, start here: http://en.wikipedia.org...   Dec 20 2009, 05:37 PM
CTD   Read the thread, joker. Non-responses of this spe...   Dec 20 2009, 09:29 PM
Ron   Ohhh, that’s some fine wiki propaganda! Ne...   Dec 22 2009, 05:33 AM
tomato   On February 3, 2009, CTD wrote: On February 4, C...   Apr 27 2010, 02:19 PM


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