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Feb 7 2008, 12:05 AM
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The claim:

"[Cytochrome-C] is very unique because it paints an obvious picture of common decent. By examining the differences in the genetic code we can examine how different the species are."
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This is a classic case of snake oil, a con where they show you only the data they want you to see. Ironically the snake is the one mosaic you will see in the data below, so it shouldn't be hard to figure out which row is the snake.

Below is a bigger picture of the Cyto-C data that the evos who tout this "evidence" don't want you to see. I've hidden the names of the animals, and instead named them Animal 1, Animal 2, etc. I would like to challenge any evolutionist to step to the plate and describe for us which animals are related by common decent. Good luck!

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Note that the evolutionist will be forced to back their claims with real analysis, not gimmicks where you get to pick & choose which animals fit a pre-conceived phylogenic paradigm.

If evolution is true, why do evolutionists need to invoke illusions?

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Jun 14 2010, 03:25 AM
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Here are the questions that need to be answered:

1. Did that software have a built in bias towards the theory of evolution?

2. If not, what can explain the results that have come out of this?

If the theory of evolution was not assumed by the software then the way that these organisms have been placed into that tree requires an explanation.

Obviously, as it seems like the theory of evolution wasn't assumed, we can use this as evidence for the theory of evolution without being accused of circular reasoning.

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Fred Williams   Cytochrome C - The Illusion Exposed   Feb 7 2008, 12:05 AM
The Debatinator   Just a suggestion but I think an effective co-chal...   Feb 7 2008, 09:19 AM
Fred Williams   Just to be clear, the purpose of the chart I poste...   Feb 7 2008, 06:51 PM
The Debatinator   Does each kind have it's own cytochrome c se...   Feb 7 2008, 09:16 PM
Fred Williams   No, not necessarily. Creationists to my knowledg...   Feb 8 2008, 10:49 AM
numbers   I plugged the sequences into a spreadsheet and c...   Feb 7 2008, 07:12 PM
jamesf   Ah, you beat me to it, Numbers. I was trying to ...   Feb 7 2008, 08:33 PM
Fred Williams   First, thanks for taking the time to take the test...   Feb 8 2008, 10:39 AM
numbers   Actually the analysis was far more accurate than...   Feb 8 2008, 09:31 PM
deadlock   Common Numbers, you are trying to turn a defeat ...   Feb 9 2008, 04:06 AM
Fred Williams   It’s not only silly, his response should be an e...   Feb 9 2008, 11:42 AM
numbers   Ostriches and Emu's aren't in the same f...   Feb 9 2008, 06:34 PM
deadlock   You are changing the meaning of the word "c...   Feb 10 2008, 03:30 AM
jamesf   48 million years IS relatively recent when you c...   Feb 10 2008, 09:36 AM
numbers   What's your cutoff point for recent and why ...   Feb 12 2008, 08:10 PM
deadlock   If 48 MYA is a recent common ancestor then betwe...   Feb 13 2008, 03:37 AM
numbers   Yes, if you want to call it that. I've show...   Feb 13 2008, 08:21 PM
deadlock   It´s interesting to notice that in the link I po...   Feb 17 2008, 05:04 PM
numbers   That demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding...   Feb 17 2008, 08:41 PM
deadlock   I think that our knowledge about the function of...   Feb 18 2008, 03:31 AM
numbers   Our understanding of cytochrome c is quite robust...   Feb 19 2008, 05:55 PM
deadlock   Please, dont make me laugh   Feb 17 2008, 05:09 PM
Fred Williams   This thread is worthy of being pinned because it s...   Feb 11 2008, 09:17 PM
jamesf   Hi Fred, Seems that I did not do not do a goo...   Feb 11 2008, 10:57 PM
Fred Williams   How thoughtful of you. It’s not a hidden bias...   Feb 13 2008, 08:56 PM
jamesf   I think kindness and logic is usually the best wa...   Feb 14 2008, 07:45 PM
Fred Williams   This ad homenim against Denton is against forum ...   Feb 17 2008, 04:44 PM
Adam Nagy   That was a goof on my part. I didn't want th...   Dec 3 2008, 07:23 AM
shpongle   Oh okay. That's fine, I just hoped you were...   Dec 3 2008, 11:50 AM
Adam Nagy   I want to ask you...What data? Evolutionists dr...   Dec 3 2008, 12:25 PM
shpongle   The branches are not "pulled out of thin ai...   Dec 3 2008, 12:42 PM
Adam Nagy   Smoke screen Smoke screen   Dec 3 2008, 12:56 PM
Adam Nagy   We don't have to discuss these other issues ...   Dec 3 2008, 01:21 PM
Adam Nagy   http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/forum/in...?sh...   Dec 3 2008, 12:51 PM
shpongle   But again, none of that (at least from what I ca...   Dec 3 2008, 01:07 PM
Adam Nagy   example - intellegent information - as found in ...   Dec 3 2008, 01:35 PM
shpongle   You're going to need to be much more specifi...   Dec 3 2008, 01:49 PM
Adam Nagy   I don't think anybody here would have the sl...   Dec 3 2008, 01:59 PM
shpongle   Or perhaps you don't understand the underlyi...   Dec 3 2008, 02:17 PM
Adam Nagy   Don't you see how crossed your wires are? Yo...   Dec 3 2008, 02:09 PM
shpongle   Actually there are evolutionary quantifications....   Dec 3 2008, 02:11 PM
Adam Nagy   Here you go: http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/...   Dec 3 2008, 02:14 PM
shpongle   I realize the discussion in this thread is about 9...   Nov 29 2008, 12:32 AM
Adam Nagy   So let me get this right, the grey whale is more...   Dec 1 2008, 09:31 PM
shpongle   Actually yes (and this is even based on more com...   Dec 1 2008, 11:36 PM
Adam Nagy   You have got to be kidding me. Everything you sa...   Dec 2 2008, 07:57 AM
shpongle   I'm not kidding you. And yes, they have som...   Dec 2 2008, 01:03 PM
Adam Nagy   Shpongle, I do admire your zeal but you're i...   Dec 2 2008, 08:26 PM
shpongle   Just curious. I notice when you quoted me you did...   Dec 2 2008, 09:55 PM
DNAunion   This is just a single-protein comparison. As ...   Mar 21 2010, 12:45 AM
DNAunion   What am I missing? Wasn't the point of the...   Mar 21 2010, 12:56 AM
Adam Nagy   What are 'accepted evolutionary relationships...   Mar 21 2010, 03:01 AM
DNAunion   Note how in the diagram the primates all group t...   Mar 21 2010, 04:50 AM
Adam Nagy   Shpongle, We went over this topic already. Let...   Dec 3 2008, 02:21 PM
shpongle   Right. But do you at least understand what I...   Dec 3 2008, 02:23 PM
Adam Nagy   I really think I do. You are certainly polite, p...   Dec 3 2008, 02:33 PM
shpongle   Adam_777, Thanks for your candor and I just want ...   Dec 3 2008, 05:17 PM
PhilC   Here are the questions that need to be answered: ...   Jun 14 2010, 03:25 AM


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