Howdy Nicholas,

>But the day of absolute proof
>has not come for either side, so the battle rages on.

I agree that both sides do not have absolute proof, nor could either side ever possibly achieve such proof. When dealing with something that happened in the distant past, you obviously cannot rely on empirical science. We cannot "observe" or "reproduce" the past, so we must rely on evidence we can see today that originated in the past, such as fossils. We can also look for patterns of design (as we do when investigating arson). We also can rely on historical science.

>So what is my point you are probably wondering...
>-Accept the fact that you might be be wrong, even though every
>fibre of your being tells you that you're right. (These go for
>both sides btw)

I am being honest when I say I am 100% sure that Christ is who he says he is, so yes, I am close-minded on evolution. You will obviously object and perhaps be offended. But being "open-minded" on all things is not a good thing. Is it OK to be open-minded about whether or not it is OK to molest a child? Of course not. But if you are an atheist, you are by definition required to be "open-minded" about such a thing. Otherwise, you would be admitting there is an absolute standard that prohibits such behavior. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that you or other atheists support such vile acts. What I am saying is that being an atheist means you must not accept absolute right and wrong, or else you would be admitting there is a higher authority. This means you cannot be absolutely close-minded about people who molest, rape, murder, etc.

>-Accept that while you believe you're right with all your heart,
>so do the people opposite you.

Since I believe the Bible is the Word of God, I disagree with you that evolutionists believe "with all their heart" in evolution. Again, I realize this will likely offend, but the Bible teaches that no one is truly an atheist, that those who deny God are *willfully* ignorant of the truth (see Romans 1, 2 Peter 3).

>Evolutionists didnt invent thier
>theories just to insult Creationists and vice versa.

We disagree. Christians believe man did invent the religion of evolution to attack Genesis, the very foundation of the Bible. If the Bible is true, and there truly is a spiritual war "not...against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places", then the most logical place for Satan to attack would be the very first book of the Bible, the very foundation where all doctrine is established. Genesis is referred to more than any other book in the Bible. Jesus himself quoted from Genesis more than any other book. Thus, what better way to place doubts in the minds of people by attacking the very foundation of the Bible. If people doubt Genesis, then why shouldn't they doubt the rest of the Bible, such as the resurrection?

>-Both sides have reasons to believe what they do, they aren't
>misguided, its not the work of "The Devil".

But the Bible does indeed make the statement that unbelievers are misguided, and that it is the work of "the devil". The Bible also says Satan has "blinded" the unbelievers of the world (2 Cor 4).

>There wouldn't be a
>debate at all if there wasn't real reason to believe each side.

There is a real reason for Christians to believe this, since this is what the Bible teaches.

>-To sum it all up, do this: Once you can accept all these things
>honestly try looking at the argument from the other side, pretend
>for a moment that the other side is correct. Understand that your
>resistance is simply emotional, and not really honest

Here you seem to be trying to be fair and sincere, but fail to realize you just implied that Christians are not honest and only think emotionally. You should consider taking your own advice. I submit it is you who is not pursuing honest truth-seeking. It is simply foolish to deny the obvious design of this world. In the words of Lord Kelvin, "Overwhelming strong proofs of intelligent and benevolent design lie around us ... The atheistic idea is so nonsensical that I cannot put it into words." I realize this is offensive, but it is the truth.

>Accept that there may or may not be a God, once you
>reach this point you can honestly begin to find the truth. Until
>you reach that point you will always blind yourself to any
>evidence that points away from your belief.

You should know that for 30 years I did accept there may not be a God. When I decided to seriously investigate the evidence, I was astonished how much evidence there actually is for a Creator. It is beyond overwhelming. The evidence for the God of the Bible is also overwhelming (see my site I was admittedly somewhat angry to come to the realization that I had been brainwashed for 30 years, told to believe there really was evidence against a Creator. But I found there is no tangible evidence for molecules to man evolution. Yours is a blind faith, a faith that relies on chance and blind selection to mold complex design. Mine is a faith heaped in powerful and overwhelming evidence.

I would ask what compels you to believe such nonsense, that there is no Creator? What set of evidences leads you to such faith? I realize my tone is offensive, but a fallout of the truth is that it offends people (Christ was the biggest offender who ever lived). Jesus says that you will have "no excuse" (Romans 1) on judgment day for such foolish beliefs.

I am forthright with you because I don't want you to suffer the horrible fate that awaits you. This is serious business. We are here for but a blink of an eye. Our time here is but a spit in the ocean. You and I are both sinners. The Bible says all have sinned and fall short (Romans 3), that we are all like filthy rags (Isa 64), and that man's heart is "desperately wicked" (Jer 17). Our only hope is the free gift of God through the blood of his Son Jesus Christ. In the words of the Apostle Paul, "O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? I thank God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!" (Rom 7:24-25)

Fred Williams


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